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June 20, 2009

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Lori Ward

Scott,
Thank you for your articulate and fair work here. I appreciate the time and effort you put forth to make this available to a wide audience. I am a (displaced) pastor in the Church of the Nazarene, thinking in postmodern sorts of ways, and enjoying the refreshment of emerging conversations.

Again, thanks!

(no need to post my comments :))

Jimmy Farley

I'm with you brother as a prisoner of hope.
"only the sith think in absolutes". - obi wan kenobi

would love to have you connect with jim wicks in portland. a naz pastor hosting Emergentia Conference to discuss not debate as so become a voice.

Ron Benefiel

Scott,

Your discussion of the EC is insightful, balanced, nuanced, thought-provoking and very helpful. I will recommend this to others who are wanting to better understand the EC. Thank you!

Jonathan Foster

Thanks. Good stuff. I recently came across a John Wimber quote, “I do not care how you structure your churches, as long as you do not impose those structures on your grandchildren.” Lots of truth there.

Patrick Oden

I'm a little late to this post, but I'm very new to PazNaz so it's quite interesting to me. Very much appreciated and agreed with what you've said in these posts. Not surprising as I picked up on this perspective in the few weeks we've been attending. Part of what helped along the "yes" for me at least. I've been involved in various ways in this conversation for quite a while, and am pressing on in various ways even still, so knowing there is room for folks who think like me in the Nazarene church is very welcomed. Indeed, it was a bit of surprise. So, I'm quite happy.

Ryan Bolger and Eddie Gibbs have what I think is the definitive book on Emerging Church traits, but they leave something off that I think is a big deal, and a way I think that churches like the Nazarene church can really come along side and help the movement. There's very little discussion on holiness. I see the various elements they did mention as being really key emphases of the Holy Spirit, but holiness is a part of that too, as John Wesley certainly knew. Not legalism. Real holistic holiness. So many in the emerging churches are coming out of oppressive or legalistic or controlling backgrounds they tend to shy away from a lot of holiness talk, and frankly, a lot of holiness emphasis in some important ways. It's understandable, but I think something that can be adjusted over time.

My impression of the emerging church as a movement is that it has two expressions. The stand-alone, sort of hard-core, emerging churches which to me are a lot like the early Pentecostal churches. Then there are the emerging church influences within established congregations, something that is being seen more and more as the basic emphases of the emerging/missional churches are finding more acceptance and validation as broad Kingdom values. Making it a bit like the Charismatic movement. And I honestly think its this latter expression that is going to, by far, have the most influence on the church around the world.

Sorry this comment went long. It's just that this series of posts is extremely encouraging and indeed extremely exciting.

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